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Took a test drive Saturday after narrowing down our options to the JX and Pathfinder.

As we were leaving on the test drive for the 2013 JX the salesman remarked that you COULD type in the nav while driving. Didn't think much of it and didn't try it on our short test drive. After getting back home and reading info on this site, it seems that this is not correct? That is a MAJOR annoyance on our 2005 Sienna as even the passenger can't do anything with the car rolling except select pre-saved locations. Another annoyance on our Sienna is the inability to cheaply update the maps themselves as it was a costly DVD upgrade. My sister-in-law's new Toyota crossover does it over satellite and I believe my niece's Hyundai does as well. Is the JX a dealer upgrade only system? That would be a major problem for the wife even if it was low/no cost early on. We take vacations and trips to in-laws that take us through roads that have moved or didn't exist when we bought the Sienna. Wouldn't want the same problem here where we continue to pay for upgrades.

Once this question is answered I will have to revisit the two and determine which direction we are going. This might be a deal breaker for the wife (really hates that the nav is more limited then her IPhone) to keep the van for another year and see if Honda/Acura or anyone else redesigns to suit her needs. Would be a shame because otherwise she really likes this car family and my son LOVES the heated back seats option.
 

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The nav and the multimedia features on the JX are an eon old. Don't buy the JX for those.
The nav features will only work through voice recognition while you are driving. (The voice recognition is not the best either. It does an ok job of recognizing what you say, but you have to baby it through every small step).
The upgrades are dealer upgrades. You get Infiniti connection for some time. So you don't really need the updates for POI database (The POI database sucks anyway).

I would suggest your wife use the iphone for finding addresses, etc. I wish Siri would do the talking with the JX to type in adresses while driving. :)
 

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Unless you hack the system, you can not type addresses into the screen while driving. This is a legal requirement. No car sold today allows you to type while driving any more. There is a hack posted on this site. If your salesperson knows how to use it well, they should be able to show you how to effectively use the voice command system. If you have an accent, the system is pretty good at learning your accent (you need to spend time with it in "Speaker Adaptation" mode). I've used lots of Navi systems and Infiniti's is better than most. And trying to navigate with the puny screen on a phone is a joke IMO.

As swoosh mentioned, using Infiniti Connection to find and download destinations is a fantastic alternative. You talk to a real person, who can actually understand and interpret what you're asking, then find what you want and download it to the navi screen when they hang up. Customers who don't use this feature are missing out on one of the best aspects of the car. Some of my favorite requests to demonstrate the capabilities: "Find me the nearest In n Out burger" (good luck searching a POI database for In n Out), "Find me the cheapest gas station in the NEXT 30 miles" (not a 30 mile radius which is all a phone can do - I'm not going to drive backwards to save $0.10/gal). "We're on our way to XXX, can you find me a family-friendly restaurant that we'll get to in about an hour when I know the kids will have woken up. Oh, and if they take reservations, could you make one for us?" (this request is a bit more involved than the other two, but you get the idea). "I heard there are chain controls on I80, can you tell me where the traffic back-up starts and which exit I can take to get around the back-up?"
 

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The nav and the multimedia features on the JX are an eon old. Don't buy the JX for those.
The nav features will only work through voice recognition while you are driving. (The voice recognition is not the best either. It does an ok job of recognizing what you say, but you have to baby it through every small step).
The upgrades are dealer upgrades. You get Infiniti connection for some time. So you don't really need the updates for POI database (The POI database sucks anyway).

I would suggest your wife use the iphone for finding addresses, etc. I wish Siri would do the talking with the JX to type in adresses while driving. :)
Just a note on this, the Nissan / Infiniti systems may be older, but still truly much more user friendly than anyone else's out there. Easy to use, and they work well, look at all the bad reviews Ford / Lincoln gets for the SYNC systems, Nissan's works very well.............yes it would be nice to have full use of the Nav while driving (and I posted how to easily bypass that), but they must make this way as a safety requirement.
 

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Just a note on this, the Nissan / Infiniti systems may be older, but still truly much more user friendly than anyone else's out there. Easy to use, and they work well, look at all the bad reviews Ford / Lincoln gets for the SYNC systems, Nissan's works very well.............yes it would be nice to have full use of the Nav while driving (and I posted how to easily bypass that), but they must make this way as a safety requirement.
Check out systems on BMW and Lexus for this year.
Considering that the nav systems sell for 1000$ or more for these cars, they should be comparable to android or ios.
 

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jsulko, did you drive the JX and PF back to back? If so, what were your comparison impressions? There aren't too many Platinum trim PF's around, you really need to whole hog it with Platinum to make a reasonably fair comparison to the JX. Stuff like the Platinum has, (supposedly nicer) perforated leather, and lot of bells/whistles that you would run up the cost on a JX to way over $50K to get them (cooled seats, heated wheel. tow package, blah blah blah). Then again, no amount of money can buy the trick JX technology on a PF.

The PF we ordered will be here in a week or so, and I never drove one, there weren't any around when we ordered it. We didn't even know what it would cost when we ordered. :)
 

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We drove the cars with a few hours apart. The Pathfinder was only a SL, they seem to be flying out the door. We were trying to look at a Platinum at another dealer and they literally took it out from under us as my wife and son were checking out the back seat. Won't be going back to that dealer. At the original Nissan dealer, as soon as we sat in the Pathfinder on the dealer floor (also a SL) both my wife and I remarked that the seats were not as good as the JX. Didn't think that the performance was better in the Nissan, I think I liked the JX in sport mode better. Once we got back into our 2005 Sienna we remarked that even those seats were better than the Pathfinder. Really stuck as to what to buy at this point. We have never stepped up to the luxury class and are not sure we are ready to go down that road.
 

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We drove the cars with a few hours apart. The Pathfinder was only a SL, they seem to be flying out the door. We were trying to look at a Platinum at another dealer and they literally took it out from under us as my wife and son were checking out the back seat. Won't be going back to that dealer. At the original Nissan dealer, as soon as we sat in the Pathfinder on the dealer floor (also a SL) both my wife and I remarked that the seats were not as good as the JX. Didn't think that the performance was better in the Nissan, I think I liked the JX in sport mode better. Once we got back into our 2005 Sienna we remarked that even those seats were better than the Pathfinder. Really stuck as to what to buy at this point. We have never stepped up to the luxury class and are not sure we are ready to go down that road.
I think that pathfinder vs jx experience is very typical, almost like what i would expect the Pathfinder to be like. I'd take a JX over pathfinder anyday!
 

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jsulko, did you drive the JX and PF back to back? If so, what were your comparison impressions? There aren't too many Platinum trim PF's around, you really need to whole hog it with Platinum to make a reasonably fair comparison to the JX. Stuff like the Platinum has, (supposedly nicer) perforated leather, and lot of bells/whistles that you would run up the cost on a JX to way over $50K to get them (cooled seats, heated wheel. tow package, blah blah blah). Then again, no amount of money can buy the trick JX technology on a PF.

The PF we ordered will be here in a week or so, and I never drove one, there weren't any around when we ordered it. We didn't even know what it would cost when we ordered. :)
I actually test drove a jx and platinum pathfinder back-to-back and did not find much difference ride wise between them. The interior leather on JX was definitely better than on the platinum pathfinder but not by much. If you gave close attention to it, the leather on jx was slightly softer than on the pathfinder. The softer leather though made deeper indentations of our infant car-seat that we put in both of them (I had kept the car seat in the car for the same amount of time).
 

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They are both AWESOME vehicles, you can't go wrong either way. You simply have to decide whether the JX is worth it to you at the price you need to pay to get it optioned the way you want. I love the JX so much after having it for a few months, and I originally was going to wait and get a Pathfinder Platinum fully loaded. Now after seeing the Pathy in person, I can quickly see and feel the differences, but the Pathfinder is still an awesome vehicle, at a hell of a price for what you get.
 

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Went back to Nissan dealer today as Nissan web site showed Platinum stock. My salesman was not in but the manager said they had sold that one last week and already have three orders waiting on Platinums. Said I wouldn't see one on the lot for at least a month. Asked about leather between Pathfinder levels and he said it is all the same materials. Seems like if I want the Nissan I would have to order sight unseen and wait. This actually makes the decision a bit easier as I will now turn my efforts into getting the JX. Options packs are not ideal for us as
heated steering and heated back seats with 2nd/3rd moonroof only come with the tech package. Was already leaning towards the JX and availability just pushes it over the top.
 

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the pathfinder isn't too bad at all but JX is well worth it for the luxury features, looks and status!

have you tried any other dealerships?
 

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the pathfinder isn't too bad at all but JX is well worth it for the luxury features, looks and status!
I personally do not agree with this. I think it depends on what exactly are you comparing. I was looking to buy the JX with the premium package only and did not care too much about the nanny features or theatre package on it. I was at the last stage of finalizing the deal when I came to know of the new pathfinder and decided to for the pathfinder to come out. I test drove the JX with premium package and then test drove the pathfinder platinum with premium package. On the pathfinder I was only interested in the platinum version without the premium package but Nissan initially is putting in the premium package on platinum that are showing up at dealerships.

After negotiating for both and considering the pros and cons it was a no-brainer for me. I bought the fully loaded pathfinder. I was able to get it for $40,500 v/s $45,500 that I was quoted for JX with premium package. The JX was not worth the extra 5K to me just for the Infiniti name and status. Price was not the main issue here (I could have written a check for JX with premium if I wanted to) but I was getting more value for my money with the Pathfinder. Personally looks wise I actually prefer the Pathfinder from the front and JX from the back. Do not get me wrong, the JX is a good vehicle. If the pathfinder was not there or I wanted the nanny features I would be a JX owner today. There is no other vehicle that compares to JX in those regards.

At the end of the day compare what you want in your vehicle, actually test-drive both and then decide which one makes most sense for you.
 

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I also was trying to decide between the JX and Pathfinder. We were lucky that our local Nissan dealer had a white Platinum loaded to test drive... it listed above $45K and had everything we could want. Great crossover. Really liked the style and drive. We went back to Inifiniti the next day and drove the loaded JX listing at over $57K (originally looked at base AWD JX). Similar ride, no major difference I could tell. Interiors were comparable, but JX felt more luxurious, as I'd expect. Nav systems were identical (disappointing). I also like the look of the front end of the PF better than the JX, but not enough to be a deciding factor. Came down to the deal... PFs are flying off the lot so dealers aren't giving great deals. JX has been out for a while so the dealer was willing to give XPP pricing. After all was said and done, the sale price difference was much less than the $12K list price difference, and the Infiniti lease was about the same payment (higher residual)... that made it a no brainer for us to go with the high end luxury vehicle with the "total ownership experience" of personal assistant, loaner car, pleasant dealership experience, and cachet of Infiniti plus all the amazing safety features in the JX.
 

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I personally do not agree with this. I think it depends on what exactly are you comparing. I was looking to buy the JX with the premium package only and did not care too much about the nanny features or theatre package on it. I was at the last stage of finalizing the deal when I came to know of the new pathfinder and decided to for the pathfinder to come out. I test drove the JX with premium package and then test drove the pathfinder platinum with premium package. On the pathfinder I was only interested in the platinum version without the premium package but Nissan initially is putting in the premium package on platinum that are showing up at dealerships.

After negotiating for both and considering the pros and cons it was a no-brainer for me. I bought the fully loaded pathfinder. I was able to get it for $40,500 v/s $45,500 that I was quoted for JX with premium package. The JX was not worth the extra 5K to me just for the Infiniti name and status. Price was not the main issue here (I could have written a check for JX with premium if I wanted to) but I was getting more value for my money with the Pathfinder. Personally looks wise I actually prefer the Pathfinder from the front and JX from the back. Do not get me wrong, the JX is a good vehicle. If the pathfinder was not there or I wanted the nanny features I would be a JX owner today. There is no other vehicle that compares to JX in those regards.

At the end of the day compare what you want in your vehicle, actually test-drive both and then decide which one makes most sense for you.
Stop making sense...

The Premium Mallfinder we ordered the day "open season" for orders stated in October will be here next week. Back then, we didn't even know what the price would be, I just worked out a deal with them that it would be $500 over dealer cost, whatever that turned out to be. The JX/premium/assist/rails/tow/flaps/bumper was going to be $1,000 over invoice. The net difference in the cars the way I wanted them was $11,000. The only thing I will really miss will be the blind spot, but I was actually worried that my wife would use that instead of turning her head and using mirrors, the primary way to do that function. The cost difference was not an issue, my bicycle is worth almost that much.

On the insides, plast trim pieces are plastic trim pieces, not much you can do with that. Vinyl wood grain is vinyl wood grain, no difference between the JX and PF there, either, unless you like the color of artist's rendition better in one vs the other. I admit, the JX's seat leather is softer, like a nice driving glove. Does the make it better? I dunno. I guess if I drove nude it might make me happier than a hand swipe on the showroom floor. When we got our Volvo XC70 Cross Country wagon, it's leather wasn't as smooth and soft as their sedans, even though it cost more. It was more a functionality thing I believe. Yeah, I do drive it with wet ski pants, dirty bike shorts, etc. And it cleans up nicely. Maybe the same thing is going on with the PF's leather that isn't as smooth?

True story, just yesterday, I had my Blizzaks mounted on the Murano wheels I got for the PF. The tire tech has mounted my tires for years, I only let him touch them, so we know each other well. When he saw the wheels, he was noticeably puzzled. He said he always thought of me as a Volvo kind of guy, as if that was some kind of cool (to a tire guy). For me? Meh, the XC is just a very off-road capable of road wagon. I try not to define myself to the world by what I drive. I'll just write the check for the PF and quietly be on my way.

But don't get me wrong, I like the JX, it's a great car, we had one on order. The PF is just a little more functional for our needs. It's a good thing there are so many choices out there.
 

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Another annoyance on our Sienna is the inability to cheaply update the maps themselves as it was a costly DVD upgrade. My sister-in-law's new Toyota crossover does it over satellite and I believe my niece's Hyundai does as well. Is the JX a dealer upgrade only system? That would be a major problem for the wife even if it was low/no cost early on. We take vacations and trips to in-laws that take us through roads that have moved or didn't exist when we bought the Sienna. Wouldn't want the same problem here where we continue to pay for upgrades.
Jsulko, I don't think your second question was clearly answered, but you need to buy a DVD to update the roads/POI's. The DVD can be purchased from the dealership or a web site (I forget the name, but they will send you emails). Cost is around $120.

I'm surprised to hear Toyota and Hyundi perform navigation updates over satellite as this technology is very expensive and complex. Typically a permanent dish is pointed towards the satellite or for something like a sat-phone, an always exposed antenna can receive data feeds, but what about the cars in a garage that miss an incremental update? Is there a full update sent ever month, etc... Sat bandwidth is extremely expensive.
 

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I'm sure that if the enginerds, marketing execs and bean counters all got together on the subject, Infiniti could make it so that Navi updates could be downloaded via Infiniti Connection. But map updates take a lot of bandwidth, so I doubt that's going to happen any time soon. Much easier to update and trouble shoot via DVD loaded at the dealership or by you in your garage.
 

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I'm sure that if the enginerds, marketing execs and bean counters all got together on the subject, Infiniti could make it so that Navi updates could be downloaded via Infiniti Connection. But map updates take a lot of bandwidth, so I doubt that's going to happen any time soon. Much easier to update and trouble shoot via DVD loaded at the dealership or by you in your garage.
There is a usb port on the car that is connected to the multimedia system. They could have allowed a download on to a flash drive for updates.
 
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